diff --git a/code/3DSConverter.cpp b/code/3DSConverter.cpp
index e15e492b8..6730bdae7 100644
--- a/code/3DSConverter.cpp
+++ b/code/3DSConverter.cpp
@@ -593,7 +593,7 @@ void Dot3DSImporter::AddNodeToGraph(aiScene* pcSOut,aiNode* pcOut,Dot3DS::Node*
 					while (pvCurrent != pvEnd)
 					{
 						std::swap( pvCurrent->y, pvCurrent->z );
-						pvCurrent->y *= -1.0f;
+						//pvCurrent->y *= -1.0f;
 						++pvCurrent;
 					}
 				}
diff --git a/code/3DSGenNormals.cpp b/code/3DSGenNormals.cpp
index 51550c951..897f1d1b3 100644
--- a/code/3DSGenNormals.cpp
+++ b/code/3DSGenNormals.cpp
@@ -66,8 +66,9 @@ void Dot3DSImporter::GenNormals(Dot3DS::Mesh* sMesh)
 		aiVector3D* pV2 = &sMesh->mPositions[face.mIndices[1]];
 		aiVector3D* pV3 = &sMesh->mPositions[face.mIndices[2]];
 
-		aiVector3D pDelta1 = *pV2 - *pV1;
-		aiVector3D pDelta2 = *pV3 - *pV1;
+		// FIX invert all vertex normals
+		aiVector3D pDelta1 = *pV3 - *pV1;
+		aiVector3D pDelta2 = *pV2 - *pV1;
 		aiVector3D vNor = pDelta1 ^ pDelta2;
 
 		sMesh->mNormals[face.mIndices[0]] = vNor;
@@ -127,6 +128,10 @@ void Dot3DSImporter::GenNormals(Dot3DS::Mesh* sMesh)
 			vNormals.y /= fDiv;
 			vNormals.z /= fDiv;
 			vNormals.Normalize();
+
+			// do the common coordinate system adjustment
+			std::swap(vNormals.y,vNormals.z);
+
 			avNormals[(*i).mIndices[c]] = vNormals;
 			poResult.clear();
 		}
diff --git a/code/MD2Loader.cpp b/code/MD2Loader.cpp
index a771057cd..a4686ac92 100644
--- a/code/MD2Loader.cpp
+++ b/code/MD2Loader.cpp
@@ -344,16 +344,18 @@ void MD2Importer::InternReadFile(
 				vec.x += pcFrame->translate[0];
 
 				// (flip z and y component)
-				vec.z = (float)pcVerts[iIndex].vertex[1] * pcFrame->scale[1];
-				vec.z += pcFrame->translate[1];
+				// FIX: no .... invert y instead
+				vec.y = (float)pcVerts[iIndex].vertex[1] * pcFrame->scale[1];
+				vec.y += pcFrame->translate[1];
+				vec.y *= -1.0f;
 
-				vec.y = (float)pcVerts[iIndex].vertex[2] * pcFrame->scale[2];
-				vec.y += pcFrame->translate[2];
+				vec.z = (float)pcVerts[iIndex].vertex[2] * pcFrame->scale[2];
+				vec.z += pcFrame->translate[2];
 
 				// read the normal vector from the precalculated normal table
 				aiVector3D& vNormal = pcMesh->mNormals[iCurrent];
 				LookupNormalIndex(pcVerts[iIndex].lightNormalIndex,vNormal);
-				std::swap ( vNormal.y,vNormal.z );
+				vNormal.y *= -1.0f;
 
 				// validate texture coordinates
 				if (pcTriangles[iIndex].textureIndices[c] >= this->m_pcHeader->numTexCoords)
@@ -407,18 +409,16 @@ void MD2Importer::InternReadFile(
 
 				vec.x = (float)pcVerts[iIndex].vertex[0] * pcFrame->scale[0];
 				vec.x += pcFrame->translate[0];
-
-				// (flip z and y component)
 				vec.z = (float)pcVerts[iIndex].vertex[1] * pcFrame->scale[1];
 				vec.z += pcFrame->translate[1];
-
 				vec.y = (float)pcVerts[iIndex].vertex[2] * pcFrame->scale[2];
 				vec.y += pcFrame->translate[2];
+				vec.y *= -1.f;
 
 				// read the normal vector from the precalculated normal table
 				aiVector3D& vNormal = pcMesh->mNormals[iCurrent];
 				LookupNormalIndex(pcVerts[iIndex].lightNormalIndex,vNormal);
-				std::swap ( vNormal.y,vNormal.z );
+				vNormal.y *= -1.0f;
 			}
 			// FIX: flip the face order for use with OpenGL
 			pScene->mMeshes[0]->mFaces[i].mIndices[0] = iTemp+2;
diff --git a/code/MD3Loader.cpp b/code/MD3Loader.cpp
index fa1842061..76ddb6129 100644
--- a/code/MD3Loader.cpp
+++ b/code/MD3Loader.cpp
@@ -251,19 +251,18 @@ void MD3Importer::InternReadFile(
 			{
 				// read vertices
 				pcMesh->mVertices[iCurrent].x = pcVertices[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].X;
-				pcMesh->mVertices[iCurrent].y = pcVertices[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].Y;
-				pcMesh->mVertices[iCurrent].z = pcVertices[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].Z*-1.0f;
+				pcMesh->mVertices[iCurrent].y = pcVertices[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].Y*-1.0f;
+				pcMesh->mVertices[iCurrent].z = pcVertices[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].Z;
 
 				// convert the normal vector to uncompressed float3 format
 				LatLngNormalToVec3(pcVertices[pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].NORMAL,
 					(float*)&pcMesh->mNormals[iCurrent]);
 
-				//std::swap(pcMesh->mNormals[iCurrent].z,pcMesh->mNormals[iCurrent].y);
-				pcMesh->mNormals[iCurrent].z *= -1.0f;
+				pcMesh->mNormals[iCurrent].y *= -1.0f;
 
 				// read texture coordinates
 				pcMesh->mTextureCoords[0][iCurrent].x = pcUVs[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].U;
-				pcMesh->mTextureCoords[0][iCurrent].y = 1.0f - pcUVs[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].V;
+				pcMesh->mTextureCoords[0][iCurrent].y = 1.0f-pcUVs[ pcTriangles->INDEXES[c]].V;
 			}
 			// FIX: flip the face ordering for use with OpenGL
 			pcMesh->mFaces[i].mIndices[0] = iTemp+2;